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Offline MBay Pete

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FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
« on: Wed 29 Nov 16:47 2017 »
I asked for clarification on carrying OOD flares as spares on the boat and got the following:

Flare advice clarification
Paul D McCallum <Paul.D.McCallum@msq.qld.gov.au>
Wed 29/11/2017 7:12 AM
 
Good morning Peter,
Section 11 of the Explosives Act prohibits the carriage/possession of unauthorised explosives and expired marine flares fall into this category.

Please note that this is not under Maritime Safety Queensland legislation and I have not heard of anyone being fined on the water for having out of date flares.

Flares that are out of date can no longer be considered effective and therefore do not address the safety requirement for which they have been bought.

So my advice would be to hand in the out of date flares to authorities for disposal and carry in date flares on-board to meet maritime safety regulatory requirements.

Hope this helps.
Regards
Paul McCallum Marine Officer | Maritime Safety Queensland Transport Safety Branch | Department of Transport and Main Roads
Marine Operations Base | MacArthur Avenue East | Pinkenba QLD 4008 P: (07) 3632 7558 | F: (07) 3632 7540 M: 0419729866 E: paul.d.mccallum@msq.qld.gov.au W: www.msq.qld.gov.au

So under the Explosives Act I would be breaking the law if I am in possession of OOD flares.

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Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
« Reply #1 on: Mon 11 Dec 05:23 2017 »
if u do carry them as spares
 dont grab wrong one if inspected
or u be fined
 pete

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Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
« Reply #2 on: Mon 11 Dec 06:11 2017 »
I think you can hand the old ones into your local VMR and they use them during demonstrations on safe use in an emergency ect in the courses they run.
Looking forward to the next trip

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Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
« Reply #3 on: Mon 11 Dec 07:39 2017 »
Well they can lock me up I've always carried my most recent out of date flares as back up as well as the new ones,not hidden but not prominent either.I'm not suggesting for one minute others should do the same,but isn't the flare 3year life span rule a bit archaic it goes back to the days flares were made from cardboard came in a paper bag and carried in old leaky open timber boats.
Time to revisit the life span on modern flares if you ask me.
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    Offline Fisharwashe

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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #4 on: Mon 11 Dec 07:49 2017 »
    simple term is manufactured obsolescence  nothing is made to "last" anymore, if it did, manufacturers would slow down or disappear.

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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #5 on: Mon 11 Dec 09:26 2017 »
    I always carried one set of out of date flares which were the newest. If I needed to use a flare I would use the out of date ones first so as to preserve the newer in date flares. If the old one works,good, if not I still had my new ones. If the old one worked,I didnt have to purchase another new set. Fortunately I never had to use any of them. Probably not legal but I reckon I would not be the only one who did this.
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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #6 on: Tue 12 Dec 07:18 2017 »
    I'm sure new years eve will see some old flares disposed of.  ::)
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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #7 on: Mon 11 Jun 10:12 2018 »
    Been ringing around all morning trying to dispose of flares
    Police dont want them & maritime only open bussiness hours weekdays

    At this rate theyll end up in the bin or "used for new years"

    Why are they so hard to get rid of ?
    If theyre "explosive" why no permit required like a firearm

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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #8 on: Mon 11 Jun 11:00 2018 »
    That would be another way for them to *bad word* rape us CrabFree by making us buy a firearms license. I am a little surprised they're not onto that one yet. Maybe after this thread though.  :'( :'( :'(

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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #9 on: Mon 11 Jun 16:11 2018 »
    Call yr local VMR

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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #10 on: Tue 12 Jun 05:55 2018 »
    I hear western Sydney soccer fans are always looking to buy flares

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    FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #11 on: Tue 12 Jun 20:35 2018 »
    Common sense says you keep the old flares as backups but just dont show fisheries


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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #12 on: Wed 13 Jun 04:39 2018 »
    Ive 3 packets of "spares" i dont want to continue to carry

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    Re: FYI Out of date flares carried as spares
    « Reply #13 on: Wed 13 Jun 07:11 2018 »
    Been ringing around all morning trying to dispose of flares
    Police dont want them & maritime only open bussiness hours weekdays

    At this rate theyll end up in the bin or "used for new years"

    Why are they so hard to get rid of ?
    If theyre "explosive" why no permit required like a firearm

    Because most powder used for firearms is a propellant rather than an explosive.
    Your drivers licence is sighted for purchase powder. Your reason to purchase is to reload cartridges.

    Loaded cartridges is restricted item do require firearm licence.

    Air bags are explosive charge and dont require seperate licence to have fitted to your car.

    If have accident and out of d as te flare caused fire then you may be liable for a charge under explosive act